Tank And The Bangas Have 'Feelings' On The COVID-19 Era

Sep 30, 2020
Originally published on September 30, 2020 7:10 am

The Morning Edition Song Project, in which musicians compose an original song about the COVID-19 era, returns this week with New Orleans group Tank and the Bangas. When NPR first approached the band over the summer, the pandemic and the George Floyd protests were dominating the news. Asked to compose some music that put her feelings about the words into words, singer Tarriona "Tank" Ball responded with a song simply called "Feelings."

David Greene spoke with Ball and her bandmate Norman Spence earlier this month, as a hurricane was pounding much of the Gulf Coast, about writing a song in the shadow of death and unrest, including one loss that hits close to home. Hear their conversation at the audio link, and read on for an edited transcript.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.


David Greene: Was this one of those songs that you really labored over to come up with the right words, or did they just kind of spill out?

Tarriona "Tank" Ball: It actually was a mix of both. Because after talking with you guys so much, it really made me kind of dig deep on it: You know, what am I feeling? What is going on? So I sat in the back room in New Orleans on Frenchmen Street with Norman, with his guitar. While he was playing, it made me start saying, "I've got feelings." And I said, since I don't even know exactly what's really going on inside of me all the way, and I know a lot of people probably feel this way as well, you just got feelings. You don't really know how to express all of them, but you got some feelings. I just wanted to really talk about that.

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This is around the time when the Black Lives Matter movement was really all you saw on the Internet and it was just feeding your spirit, feeding your brain, feeding your eyes. It was a lot to take in — to have COVID-19 going on and being away from everybody, and to see all of this on your screen, just seeing a live death. It was a lot to take in emotionally, and it was hard to truly just kind of realize how far we haven't come in this country.

You lost two people in your own circle to COVID-19, young friends of friends. And I gather the death of Ellis Marsalis, the great New Orleans jazz player, also hit pretty hard.

Ball: In New Orleans, we really like to almost celebrate death after we mourn — you know, we put the casket in the air, especially when it's somebody that's really influential in the city. And when he died, he didn't get the casket in the air, he didn't get the horns and the dancing in the street. The city couldn't celebrate him; we had to mourn in quiet. And that's not even like us.

Norman, what part of what Tank is saying relates most closely to you and what you've been through?

Norman Spence: Just being home and being kind of stuck there — especially as a father, you know, it's hurting the kids a lot. I'll say that. [But] I think we've been looking at more of the blessings than what's wrong with it.

What's a blessing that you feel has emerged?

Spence: I get to spend time with my kids — instead of touring and you know, playing music for everybody all the time.

There's a line in the song I want to ask about: Tank, you say, "This cycle feels like Sunday religion / It's all tradition / Even the division." What do you mean by that?

Ball: You know, Sunday! Every Sunday, everybody, at least growing up in my house, it's time to go to church, you know? Religion is something that constantly comes around and it's all tradition — and everybody know what tradition is, it's something passed down from generations in your family. And that's what I feel like hate is, [too].

It sounds like you're saying that you see killings and you see protests and we just go through this tradition time and time again.

Ball: Yeah. It's going to get old next week, when everybody's feed doesn't look like it looked a month ago, with the hashtags. ... I don't want this to be over when it's not popular anymore. It's so funny because true pioneers back in the day, they'd really fall for things and stay with it until the day they died or they was killed. But today, we're tired after protesting for a week.

Spence: But that's the media. They get to paint these narratives and then the next one that pops up, we forget about the last one. You get caught up in that. It's best to turn it off sometimes.

Everything you're saying makes sense, but it's also two different things — what you're saying, Norman, like you've got to turn it off sometimes, but also, Tank, what you're saying, you don't want to go out and protest for a week and then just shut it down. How do you resolve those? Where is the right balance?

Ball: I don't know how to change the heart of America. Especially when it was built and founded on so many terrible and horrible things that have been done to people. But I can try, with songs and poems and conversations with those that I care about and love that's in my circle. That could effect even the little bittiest amount of change.

You rap in the song that you're still waiting for your 40 acres and a mule.

Ball: [laughs] Where's the 40 acres? Where's the mule? Where's the promise?

Are you both optimistic that there will be a time when you can look at our country and say, OK, we've somehow come to a place where we've addressed racial divisions in a real way?

Spence: Yes, there is hope.

Ball: I think there is hope, simply because things are changing in front of us every single day. I know I personally see that. You know, these questions are so broad — how do we change it, what do we do? There's a million answers, but I literally probably have about one or two. And that's that the true change can really start within. And then your change can really begin to affect other people, hopefully and purposefully.

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DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Let's get back to the MORNING EDITION Song Project. It's the series where we ask musicians to write an original song about the COVID era. Today, let's turn to New Orleans and the group Tank and the Bangas. We spoke to them earlier this month as a hurricane was pounding much of the Gulf Coast.

Your city's almost been hit by hurricanes a couple of times recently. Has that been a little scary given everything else going on?

TARRIONA BALL: It has been. It was threatening to hit last week and Norman drove all the way to Baltimore.

GREENE: That's singer Tarriona "Tank" Ball. She was with her bandmate, Norman Spence.

NORMAN SPENCE: I'm from Baltimore. The storm threat came and yeah, we were like let's get on out of here.

BALL: I stayed home. It was very sunny (laughter). It was sunny the whole time.

SPENCE: That's beautiful.

GREENE: So when we first approached the band over the summer, the pandemic and the George Floyd protests were dominating the news. We asked Tank to write a song that put her feelings into words.

Was it one of those songs that you really labored over to come up with the right words or did they just kind of spill out at some moment?

BALL: It actually was a mix of both. Because after talking with you guys so much, it really made me kind of really dig deep on it. You know, what am I feeling? Well, what is going on? So I sat in the back room, you know, in New Orleans on Frenchmen Street with Norman, with his guitar. While he was playing, it made me start saying, I've got feelings. And I said, since I don't even know exactly what's really going on inside of me all the way, and I know a lot of people probably feel this way as well, you just got feelings. You don't really know how to express all of them, but you got some feelings and I just wanted to really talk about that.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: No wait, I don't wanna use a hashtag. (Singing) I've got feelings, buried way down deep inside. I've got feelings, and they do not get a high. I've got feelings (ph).

GREENE: Can you talk through - like, you're sitting there on a street in a city you love. Like, what were those feelings?

BALL: Just thinking, what's going on? This was around the time when the Black Lives Matter movement was really all you saw on the Internet, and it was just feeding your spirit, feeding your brain, feeding your eyes and it was a lot to take in. To have COVID going on and being away from everybody and just to see all of this on your screen, just seeing a live death, it was a lot to take in emotionally. And it was hard, you know, to truly just kind of realize how far we haven't come in this country.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: (Singing) Can't wait, gotta go, I've been through this before. All the hurt in my soul has suddenly taken its toll (ph).

GREENE: Tank also lost two people in her circle to COVID, young friends of friends. The death of the great New Orleans jazz piano player Ellis Marsalis also hit her really hard.

BALL: In New Orleans, we really like to almost celebrate death after we mourn. You know, we put the casket in the air, especially when it's somebody that was really influential in the city. And when he died, he didn't get the casket in the air. He didn't get the horns and the dancing in the street. The city couldn't celebrate him. We had to mourn in quiet. And that's not even like us.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: (Singing) I've got feelings...

GREENE: Norman, what part of what Tank is saying relates most closely to you and what you've been through?

SPENCE: Just being home and being kind of stuck there, especially as a father, you know, it's hurting the kids a lot. I'll say that. You know, I think we've been looking at more of the blessings than what's wrong with it.

GREENE: What's one blessing that you feel like has sort of emerged?

SPENCE: I get to spend time with my kids instead of touring and, you know, playing music for everybody all the time.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: (Singing) This cycle feel like Sunday religion. It's all tradition, even the division. I've got feelings.

GREENE: I want to ask you about the song. There's this line, Tank, I wanted to ask you about. You say, this cycle feels like Sunday religion. It's all tradition, even the division. What do you mean by that?

BALL: You know, Sunday, every Sunday, everybody, at least growing up in my house, it's time to go to church, you know? And when I said it feels like Sunday religion, it's something that always constantly comes around and it's our tradition. And everybody know what tradition is. It's something that's passed down from generations in your family. And that's what I feel like hate is.

GREENE: It sounds like you're saying that you see killings and you see protests and we just go through this tradition time and time again.

SPENCE: Yeah. Think about...

BALL: Yeah.

SPENCE: That's what religion is.

BALL: Yeah. It's going to get old next week. Like, everybody's feed doesn't look the way it looked a month ago, with the hashtag. And that's why I even started in the song - when I first started off, I said, no wait, I don't want to use a hashtag, you know, because I don't want this to be over when it's not popular anymore. It's so funny because they just had true pioneers back in the day, they'd really fall for things and they'd stay with it and honestly, until the day they died or they was killed. But today, you know, we're tired after protesting for a week.

SPENCE: But that's the media. They get to paint these narratives, and then the next one that gets popped up, we forget about the last one. You get caught up in that. It's best to turn it off sometimes.

GREENE: Everything you're saying, it makes sense, but also, it's, like, two different things. Like, how do you resolve both, what you're saying, Norman, like, you've got to turn it off sometimes but also, Tank, what you're saying, like, you don't want to just go out and protest for a week and then shut it down? Like, where's the right balance?

BALL: I don't know how to change the heart of America, especially when it was really built and founded on so many terrible and horrible things that have been done to people. But I can try with songs and poems and conversations with those that I care about and love that's in my circle that could affect even a little bittiest amount of change.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: (Rapping) It's June and I'm looking for my 40 acres plus a mule, bag of favors, plus some Now and Laters for the flavor of the revolution. Black, Black, Black tastes like reparations, health care and some prison waivers for their free labor. My nation is on fire and the chicken burning hot (ph).

GREENE: You rap in the song that you're still waiting for your 40 acres and a mule.

BALL: (Laughter) Where's the 40 acres? Where's the mule? Where's the promise?

GREENE: But, like, seriously, are you both optimistic that there will be a time when you can look at our country and say, OK, we've somehow come to a place where we've addressed the racial divisions in a real way?

SPENCE: Yes, there is hope.

BALL: I think there is hope. I think there is hope simply because things are changing in front of us every single day. I know I personally see that. You know, these questions are so broad. You know, how do we change it? What do we do? If it's not social media, then what? Oh, my gosh There's, like, a million answers, but I literally have probably about one or two. And that's that the true change can really start within. And then your change can begin to affect other people, hopefully and purposely.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FEELINGS")

TANK AND THE BANGAS: (Singing) I've got feelings...

GREENE: Thank you all again. Best to you and your families.

SPENCE: Oh, wow. Thank you for having us.

BALL: Thank you. Thank you for having us.

GREENE: That was Tank and the Bangas with their song for the MORNING EDITION Song Project. It is called "Feelings" and you can find the whole song on our webpage at npr.org. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.